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New Thinking Podcast

New Thinking is about the people working to fix a justice system that can fall so short of our ideals, and about the people organizing to build something new in its place. It’s hosted by Matt Watkins.

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    COVID-19 Behind Bars: A Pandemic of Neglect

    by Matt Watkins

    Homer Venters has been inspecting prisons, jails, and ICE detention centers for COVID-compliance almost since the start of the pandemic. The former chief medical officer for New York City jails says what were already substandard health systems and abusive environments have deteriorated sharply. Any fix to health care behind bars, he says, has to start with listening to the people these facilities have worked to silence: those with lived experience of the conditions.

    Addressing Racial Disparities, Evidence-Based Practices
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    Josie Duffy Rice: Fighting a Big Fight

    by Matt Watkins

    Josie Duffy Rice says remaking the justice system is a generational struggle, but it's one progressives are winning. The well-known criminal justice commentator and activist, and president of the news site The Appeal, explains why she believes in the power of big ideas, and offers her take on the federal election, "defund the police," and the role of the media in promoting—or thwarting—change.

    Addressing Racial Disparities, Bail Reform, Reducing Violence, Treatment Courts
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    Guns, Young People, Hidden Networks

    by Matt Watkins

    Why do some young people carry guns? It's a difficult question to answer. People in heavily-policed neighborhoods with high rates of violence aren't generally enthusiastic about answering questions about guns. On New Thinking, hear from three of the authors of a year-long study we led into young people and guns. The findings are disturbing, but if the goal is to learn from marginalized communities themselves what help they need, no less important is the way the research was conducted.

    Addressing Racial Disparities, Reducing Violence, Youth Initiatives
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    Reform and Its Discontents

    by Matt Watkins

    The movement to reform prisons is almost as old as prisons themselves. But what is the ultimate goal of reform of a system like the criminal justice system? On our New Thinking podcast, Maya Schenwar and Victoria Law explain why they think many of today's most popular reforms are extending, rather than countering, the justice system's harmful effects. Their new book is Prison By Any Other Name.

    Addressing Racial Disparities, Diversion, Domestic Violence, Justice-Involved Women, Restorative Justice, Technology, Treatment Courts
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    Restorative Justice is Racial Justice

    by Matt Watkins

    Restorative justice is about repairing harm. But for Black Americans, what is there to be restored to? This special episode of New Thinking features a roundtable with eight members of our Restorative Justice in Schools team. They spent three years embedded in five Brooklyn high schools—all five schools are overwhelmingly Black, and all five had some of the highest suspension rates in New York City.

    Addressing Racial Disparities, Restorative Justice, Youth Initiatives
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    Justice and the Virus: Racial Patterns

    by Matt Watkins

    The death of George Floyd after a white police officer pressed his knee to Floyd's neck for close to nine minutes has triggered a wave of anger and revulsion. Vincent Southerland, the executive director of the Center on Race, Inequality, and the Law at NYU, compares the brazen nature of Floyd's death to a lynching. The furor comes in the midst of a pandemic itself exacerbated by racism. How will COVID-19, and the reaction to police violence, affect the deep racial patterns of the justice system?

    Addressing Racial Disparities
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    Justice and the Virus: Rachel Barkow

    by Matt Watkins

    With justice systems across the country scrambling to respond to the COVID-19 pandemic, there is a lot of talk about what justice is going to look like when the virus ends. But what has the response actually consisted of, and is there any reason to anticipate a "new normal" will emerge? On New Thinking, New York University law professor Rachel Barkow explains her skepticism.

    Bail Reform, Reentry
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    Getting People Off Rikers Island in a Pandemic

    by Matt Watkins

    Jails and prisons have quickly emerged as epicenters of the COVID-19 pandemic. As New York City struggled to get people out from behind bars, it turned to a trio of nonprofits to repurpose a successful program on the fly. The urgency of supporting people released abruptly from jail in the midst of a pandemic is clear, but so are the challenges. The experience also raises the question: what happens to criminal justice when the virus ends?

    Bail Reform, Reentry
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    The Inequities of COVID-19: A Focus on Public Housing

    by Matt Watkins

    The effects of the coronavirus are not being experienced equally. Whether it’s infection rates, deaths, or job losses, people of low-income and of color are being hit hardest. In New York City, many of those effects are concentrated in communities where public housing is located. Our Neighborhood Safety Initiatives works with public housing residents. On New Thinking, the program's Alicia Arrington explains the challenge, and the response.

    Addressing Racial Disparities, Placemaking
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    "One of These Days We Might Find Us Some Free"

    by Matt Watkins

    In 1996, 16-year-old Reginald Dwayne Betts was sentenced to nine years in prison for a carjacking. He spent much of that time reading, and eventually writing. After prison, he went to Yale Law School and published a memoir and three books of poems. But he’s still wrestling with what “after prison” means. This is a conversation about incarceration and the weight of history, both political and personal. Betts's most recent collection of poems is Felon.

    Addressing Racial Disparities, Arts and Justice, Reducing Trauma

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